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Thursday, 02 March 2006

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Vonski

I have been very impressed with Mayor Leiken and we are very fortunate that he lives here in Lane County.

He is the steadfast to Kitty Piercy's sinecure. She could learn a lot from him.

Rural Republican

I am big supporter of the old style Teddy Roosevelt style conservation. Sid Leiken, you're no Teddy Roosevelt.

While I have supported the Mayor's goals to attract liveable wage jobs to our fair burg, those aren't the people he plays with anymore.

Sid talks about reconciling differences over land use practices, but he hangs out with the very developers who want to gut every land use law out there.

I am not defending the extremist wing of the environmental movement, but when I see Aaron Jones, Ken Demers, Larry Giustina, John Murphy, John Muscemeci and others licking their chops over M37 I feel the sudden urge to throw a big blanket over ANY changes to our landuse system. These guys use grandmas and small farmers to tug at the heartstrings of people who will literally get bulldozed by these landlords (and thats what they are - land....lords)

If we want to promote reasonable private property rights then we need to divorce ourselves from the rabid pave and build folks and get back to republican roots.....

In the spirit of Teddy Roosevelt, lets block these predators from snatching up all the available land and stop aiding them by echoing their lines about "property rights". Its a sham.

dk

Robin

I've lived here since 1963... and know there has been talks in the past about merging Eugene and Springfield into one big metropolitan which I am highly against.

simply because Eugène has proven over and over again that it cannot run a city.

some of us like our little Springfield just the way it is

josh

To Rural Republican, I use to work for the Leiken's in Roseburg and it is obvious you didn't know that his family is one of the largest developer's and landowners in Douglas County. They are salt of the earth types, just like most of the timber/development families are and frankly I enjoyed working for them. I just needed to move on and finish my degree

Boze Noze

Gully, I was there. Sid was his usual competent self.

Rural Republican, Teddy R. may have started the national park system but he would not have supported restricting peoples ability to use their own land. tha is more Teddy K's style of conservation than Teddy R's. I am surprised you are a Republican with your attitude towards developers. Just remember the houses you and your friends live in were probably built buy those bulldozing developers and the businesses that employ you and that you frequent were also built by those greedy evil developers.

Rural Republican

Whoa Boze Noze, hold on a second, Theodore Roosevelt was much more of an environmentalist that Ted Kulongoski would ever dream of being.

How many developers called him un-american when he put millions of acres of beautiful land out of their reach?

One of things that makes America, America and that makes me proud of this country is that we respect the right of private individuals to use their land TO THE EXTENT that it does not interfere with other people's rights to enjoy THEIR land.

If my quiet, peaceful, solitude is going to be broken by the latest Mall-Wart or McSubdivision you best be sure I will lambast the developers who are behind it.

And yes, developers have rights too, but they don't have the right to destroy what I and thousands of other Oregonians consider heaven.

You show your ignorance of Republican values if you think that we must always side with the developers. We would do well to learn that these "businessmen" don't care a whit about private property unless it is theirs.

M37 was a sham that Oregonians voted for because they thought they would "get theirs". Unfortunately they will, it just won't be something they like.

It would be nice if republicans among us would start to act like republicans, instead of shills for people who will downsize us the second their stock price dips below a certain rate, or destroy the private property we have worked so hard to maintain. Some of you fear the government, I fear big money.

And Josh, I don't know if you were agreeing with me or not - My view - Sid sold out.

dk


josh

dk

Who did he sell out to? His first year in office he was courting the feds for the federal courthouse, Symantec to Gateway and Peace Health to Gateway. It is obvious you do not know him at all. He has been very consistent all along. To the environmentalist, he was one of the first in the United States to introduce an environmentally friendly process at his chain of dry cleaners. Did you know that? Personally I think he is great.

ajb

The problem with Measure 37 is not really the sentiment behind it, it's the application of that sentiment.
Measure 37 is vague, overly broad, and quite frankly, a bad idea.
Gutting land use restrictions to protest the scope of them is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

No one can really say what TR's views on land use restrictions would have been, but given his beliefs on food and drug safety, as well as the trustbusting, I'm not sure he'd come down solidly on the side of the developers.
-ajb

Rural Republican

I know all about Leiken's wetcleaning (good idea) and his "courting" of the courthouse , Symantec, and Peacehealth. All of that is great, no problems here.

Where Sid is losing his mojo is that he said in his (2nd I believe) State of the City that we need to attract family wage jobs, not just jobs.

Then along comes Wal-mart and Best Buy......

Oh, and although he brought in Sony and Royal Carribean (with help), not once did he suggest any kind of clawback provision to make sure they hold to their promises. The 250 jobs at Sony that are now gone along with Sony and the xx# of millions of dollars in tax incentives cancel the fact that they came in the first place. I see it as the beginning of a slippery slope.

I like Sid personally (know him well) and I think he is good for Springfield, but I worry about him. He's not the same Sid. (maybe its his bank job?)

Don

josh

Don

Wait a minute!!! He is one person that has done wonders for Springfield. He has taken Springfield to be the leader in creating new jobs for the entire metro area, and this being done mostly with Jim Torrey on the other side of the freeway. I have heard the story about Symantec's expansion. It was Sid apparently setting up the meeting between the city and the state with the Symantec execs about expanding on their option. That is called instincts. These are going to be $60,000 plus jobs coming into the area. Frankly, what has been going on in Springfield is nothing short of being a miracle. Read towards the end of the article and it touches on the metro plan where Eugene and Springfield are tied to the hip. I wonder what could be if Eugene wasn't holding Mayor Leiken and Springfield back.

Rural Republican

Josh,

I don't disagree. Lets just say I take a wait and see approach to Mayor Leiken. It would be nice if he didn't make me so nervous recently. I correct my earlier statement about him selling out, and revise it to read "if".

but for now, I have to read the rest of Gully's Dorchester posts.

Thanks for the conversation.

Don

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