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Thursday, 31 July 2008

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independent thinker

Nail. Hammer. Head.

Obama is a buffoon who has already, in his own mind, not only won the presidency but also been re-elected, put on the $5 bill, and added to Mount Rushmore.

Scratch that. Not added to. Carved over the existing dead typical white persons.

He writes about the audacity of hope, but what he demonstrates is the audacity to equate himself with some of the greatest leaders in history before he has even spent one day in executive service.

It is not just his money quote. Consider him in Berlin, saying "I look different from the people who spoke here before."

Never mind the fact that Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice have spoken in Berlin. But considering he is putting himself into the same category as Reagan and other world leaders is simply stunning.

Your post is outstanding. You have truly captured what it means to be honored with a place on our national currency, and demonstrated how far Obama is from any of these typical white persons.

Good job.

Patrick Joubert Conlon

Boy, that was a treat. (Yesterday I re-read your theology post - and enjoyed it all over again.)

I never tire of reading about the Founders because everyone has his own take on them.

I think Obama does fancy himself as another Lincoln and he's too stupid and narcissistic to realize that he is over-estimating himself.

Gullyborg

Thank you, gentlemen.

I.T. has made me think of something else on a tangential topic...

Considering that Andrew Jackson did a lot of rather politically incorrect things as President, and considering he was highly opposed to the government having a central bank, perhaps the time has come to retire him from the $20.

Considering Ronald Reagan was the greatest President of the Twentieth Century, and considering he was a staunch proponent of lower taxation and free market capitalism, perhaps he would be the logical replacement.

Imagine the outrage of liberals getting "Reagans" out of the ATM when they draw on their trust funds!

Heh.

But I digress...

Please keep additional comments related to Obama and his speech.

Linoge

Well, this is not about Obama and his speech - I am going to nit: you forgot Grant ;).

Non-Secular Humanist

Since the national debt nearly tripled during the Reagan adminstration, maybe we could put his likeness on the -$20 bill.

Gullyborg

Ah, it looks like Non-Secular Humanist has decided to become our new resident troll...

The debt tripled under Reagan because Congress spent three times more money. Of course, revenues doubled at the same time, due to Reagan's tax cuts.

Enough about that.

As for Grant, no I didn't forget him. There are other presidents (and non-presidents) on other bills (they go WAY over $100). I just didn't want to spend THAT much time writing, so I went with a limited list.

Non-Secular Humanist

What, Gully, you don't like opposing viewpoints? It bothers you that I provide facts, doesn't it.

Actually, Reagan mostly had is way with Congress. The Senate was controlled by the Republicans during the first 6 years of his administration, when the debt skyrocketed, and with the help of Boll Weevil Democrats (Phil Gramm was a Democrat back then) the Rs had effective control of the House as well.

Paul

Just an FYI dollar bill is the US standard referral for paper money...or it could be from any other country as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-dollar_bill

Not saying I am pro Obama just saying get your facts straight. First statement out of the gate is wrong...

Gullyborg

NSH - You don't provide facts with your opposing view points. You just show up and flame with off topic content. You are obviously the one with the problem regarding opposing views, because you love to show up and bitch about wrong they are.

To claim that Republicans had effective control of the House in the days of Tip O'Neil is just laughable. And while we did have numerical control in the Senate for part of Reagan's years, we had then, as we have now, about a dozen liberal Republicans who sided with democrats on issues like welfare spending.

Reagan was constantly at war with Congress. He only got his way on issues like defense because Congress was willing to play along in order to have ITS way with social issues.

1995 was the first time since prior to the Great Depression that Republicans had actual, tangible, real control of Congress.

And Paul - what the hell are you rambling about? Is your first name Ron?

My statements are completely factual. There is one president on the one dollar bill. His name is George Washington. There are other bills in other denominations with other people on them. And seriously, citing wikipedia as your reference? That will get you a failing grade in any reputable college course.

Do you have anything of value to add here, or did you just want to change the topic to monetary theory? Let me guess, do we need to forget paper money and go back to gold?

TheGunGeek

I'll cut both NSH and Obama some slack here. He did not say (at least according to your quoting of him) "one dollar bills", he said "dollar bills". To my mind, that would include "two dollar bills", "five dollar bills", "twenty dollar bills", and "fifty dollar bills". These are all various types of "dollar bills".

In fact, if he had said "dollar bill" instead I might be more inclined to agree that he meant the one dollar bill, but he pluralized it, which could just as easily (if not more so) mean the various dollar bills as it would mean multiple copies of the one dollar bill.

After all, what were his other options? He couldn't say just "dollars" since we have various dollar coins that wouldn't apply here. He couldn't just say "bills" since that sounds too much like the bills we get in the mail. Saying "paper money" would be too bland and uninteresting.

There's plenty of things to criticize him for that we don't need to get all nit-picky (and that's coming from ME) about his semantics. Focusing on his choice of words detracts from the real issues he has that we need to fight.

I loved the rest of your post, though. Excellent work.

independent thinker

Obama doesn't much look like the people on the gold coins, either...

Gullyborg

Jeebus, people, why are you so hung up on the "dollar bills vs one dollar bill" bit?

I talked about the people on various bills. I make one aside comment about the one guy on the one dollar bill, then go on to write about not just Washington, but Jefferson, Lincoln, Hamilton, Jackson and Franklin.

The real crux of this piece is that Obama is trying to compare/contrast himself with not only presidents - when he hasn't been elected one yet - but our greatest leaders who have been immortalized on our currency.

He may as well have been standing beneath Mount Rushmore, pointed up, and said "I know I don't look like those dead whiteys behind me."

Forget about the whole one dollar bill or all dollar bills nonsense. It isn't relevant to this discussion.

Further comments along these lines will be ignored.

Stick to comments about the merits of Obama relative to the people honored with their images on our currency.

independent thinker

Obama looks nothing like Sacagawea.

(ok, I'm done being a smart ass now...)

TimL

I spent a good hour today trying to find the original reference to Obama saying that in public.

There was some under-educated person (moron) republican from a southern state that a paper took a quote from. (Funny how the media always asks the half retarded person for a comment)

"He doesn't look like the other presidents on the dollar bill."

Obama actually corrected the insult by using the word "bills" since there is only 1 president on the front of each. But of course Obama showing a sense of humor is bad for McCain so now he's throwing mud at this.... Gah wish i could find the original source.

Barry Williams

Hello everyone,

I have just come across this blog.

I have noticed that Mr. Obama is making quite an issue of his race as if that is relevant and his politics are secondary.

I am white and an Independent and I can tell you I don't give a damn about any superficial issue such as race or age or nationality when it comes to selecting a leader.

I care about these things:

A real energy plan that recognizes that immediate and long-term plans and technologies need to be used to help the current situation and prevent an on-going catastrophe.

A strong military that is actually used. If we don't project power we will not have any. With Russia moving back to its past and China building up its military to unprecedented levels by building more subs and, for the first time, aircraft carriers, it is clear that the only way to fight for freedom is to FIGHT FOR IT!

A new model to deal with health care. However, the failed model in use in several western socialist countries isn't the answer.

A robust economy. It has been demonstrated that every time nominal tax rates are reduced the economy takes off. John Kennedy lower the top tax rate from an outrageous 90% to the just absurd rate of 70%. Afterwards, the economy boomed! The best welfare is a job and more expatriated dollars (of all denominations) will flow back to the US as investments in job-producing infrastructure.

Jobs. Everyone laments the demise of the automobile industry in the US. Few recognize that more autos are built in the US than ever before! Only they are built by Mercedes, Toyota, Nissan, Kia and several others.

Mr. Obama, get behind the things I care about and I'll get behind you. You are losing the race in spite of your flip flop on "public financing" and your hope to merely buy the election. Now, you are playing the "fear" card and the "race" card.

Change? I think not!

Vonski

I like this quote from an Obama spokesman,

"He was referring to the fact that he didn't come into the race with the history of others," Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs said Thursday. "It is not about race."

If this is what Obama meant, it could be construed as an admission that he's too inexperienced to be taken seriously.

Alex

I strongly disagree. Obama is, in my opinion, a good candidate for a three-dollar bill :)

Gullyborg

TimL, I saw video of this on the news and Obama said it verbatim to the quote.

PDX Dave

The King's Invisible Clothes.

Don't know why that story comes to mind.....

Could it be that the good Senator from Illinois is believing his own "anointed" advertising B.S.?

Non-Secular Humanist

Just a quick note...

I don't have the roll call, but the vote to pass the H.R. 4242, the initial tax cutting bill in the first Reagan administration, passed the House 323 - 107, so obviously quite a few Democrats had to vote in favor of the bill.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d097:HR04242:@@@R|/bss/d097query.html|

For a critical view of the Reagan administration from a libertarian perspective, written in 1986, go to http://mises.org/article.aspx?Id=1544.

The article makes the point that Reagan didn't once submit a balanced budget.

It's true that the Democratic Congress passed spending bills that raised the deficit, but how many of those did Reagan veto?

Gullyborg

For the last time, this post is not about Reagan. It is about Obama and his comparison to the presidents on the dollar bills.

Stop making off topic comments or I will have no choice but to ban you from further commentary.

Non-Secular Humanist

Gully,

I figured if you bring something up it's fair game to respond to it--you're the one who brought up Reagan.

You have about the thinnest skin of any blogger I've come across, and the quickest to ban people.

Scottiebill

I seem to remember reading somewhere that a President has to dead a certain number of years before he is considered eligible for getting his picture on our currency or coins. If Obama does in fact get elected in November, is he going to try to get this changed so he can get on our currency while he is still alive? And does he think that he even has a chance of this happening? Only if he is completely delusional.

I have heard him described by one national talk-show host that, if elected, Obama would be our modern-day Herbert Hoover, effectively driving the country into a deep depression similar to, if not worse,than the one in 1929. With all his crazy spending ideas, I would have to agree. And we surely do not see Hoover's picture on any piece of our currency or coins.

Gullyborg

I have only banned about 10 commenters in over 5,000 comments and 4 years of bloggin. Now make that about 11.

If you can't follow simple rules like "stay on topic" even after you are asked to, and if you start getting all huffy when the asking to escalates to the "or else" category, then I have no real reason to keep you around.

Remember folks, this is NOT "the public." This is my personal webspace, that I pay for, and that I invest a lot of time and effort into upkeeping. Commenting here is like walking in the open front door of my home. If you insult the host, or break the host's rules, the host is well within his rights to ask you politely to change your behavior or leave.

If you think I am full of shit, then either politely offer up relevant facts on the topic, or get your own blog and post about what an ass I am on your own dime.

Any further comments off the topic will be deleted and the commenter will be banned. Sorry to be blunt and forceful, but I don't have the time to patrol every post and nudge every commenter. I actually have a very busy life away from this blog. If you aren't going to respect my rules, I am going to boot you. Period. End of discussion.

Red Neck Joe

Even I think you're retarded.

Gullyborg

Unsatisfied customers are welcome to a full refund.

Dylan

Seriously though, what was the point of this blog? I mean, you compared Obama with some of the greatest men in American history to try and make him look bad, you're clearly holding him to a unfairly high standard. Also, you conveniently forgot the Indian Removal Act of 1830, when speaking of Andrew Jackson. The bill was passed and kicked thousands and thousands of Native Americans off their land and Andrew Jackson signed into law. You're right Obama is nothing like Andrew Jackson, Andrew Jackson was a quite a douche bag and a racist. Stop including only the facts that help your argument and ignoring the ones you want.

Gullyborg

I am not the one putting Obama up to an unfairly high standard. I am reacting to HIS comparison of himself to all them dead white crackas on the greenbacks.

And I actually did mention that Andrew Jackson had some big problems in his adminstration (go back and check). But, for good or for ill, you have to admit he DID things that helped shape America as it is today.

By the way, you aren't taking advantage of any of that Indian land that Andrew Jackson stole, are you? You aren't eating crops grown on Indian lands, are you? Or using materials logged or mined from Indian lands, are you?

Yes, the Indian relocation was a terrible thing. But the sad fact is, our nation is still better off today for it having happened.

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